Male Officer: [00:00:30] What's going on today? Tonjia Baker: Sir, I've been outside for over an hour, cleaning my car, right? I had my radio on I'm almost finished, a song came on I like. I turned it up just a tad bit, but it was not loud, it would not wake anybody up, and as I'm coming up, he's coming up like this. He got the camera in my face. I say, "You better get the fuck away from my ... " I'm this mad. He has been doing this for over three years straight. [00:01:00] I try to ignore him. Those two guys working right there for him. They saw him. Male Officer: He's your neighbor? Tonjia Baker: He- Listen, this man in his yard and he walked from over there [inaudible 00:01:08]. Like this. In my face. I looked up and there he was. And I chased him. I told him, "You better get the hell away from around me." Because it makes no sense. I don't bother him. This man wants no parking on our street. They grant it; they took it off our side, right. [00:01:30] He left it on his side. So he wants to irritate me. I've been parking on that hill for 29 years. He parks his car there now just so I can't park it there, but that's okay, he can park it here, I don't have a problem with it. Male Officer: So, you can't park here? Tonjia Baker: Yeah, I park here, that's - Male Officer: Oh, no. Right here? Tonjia Baker: To alleviate the issues with him, I parked here. I'm trying to avoid him. Male Officer: Right. Tonjia Baker: But you cannot control my car. You cannot come in my face with your cam - He can record me standing over there. He walked over here to my face and ... I'm telling you [00:02:00] all I got. I can't take it- Male Officer: You say you've been here 29 years? Tonjia Baker: Yes, 29 years [crosstalk 00:02:05]. Male Officer: How long has he [crosstalk 00:02:05] ... has he been there a while too? Tonjia Baker: Yeah, [crosstalk 00:02:08]. Yeah, he was a good neighbor, but this man is not right. I'm just trying to figure out what makes you think that it's right and fair because the police said, "Well you can record. He can record.", which is true, but you don't take your camera and put it in nobody's face. He was too close to me. I'm not lying. Male Officer: Okay. Tonjia Baker: I can't take it no more. B. Brown mom: You [inaudible 00:02:24]. Tonjia Baker: I don't - Mama, be quiet, please. Nobody asked you. You don't have to go and ... What are you talking about, [00:02:30] what happened today? All this other stuff is irrelevant because it's been going on too long. But I'm trying my best to do the right thing. I parked in front of my house. I don't park on the side of my house, so that he'll be happy. But you can't tell me when I have my music on in my car. It wasn't blasting. But, he just comes ... these two men, why they're working ... He come flying over here in my face. Why can- Can he keep doing that though? Can he come over here and do that? That's what I'm trying to figure out. In the street, do what you want to do. But this is my property. Male Officer: Right. Well let me [00:03:00] tell you. With your property, since you're the home owner? Tonjia Baker: I am. Male Officer: Okay. You get a posted "No trespassing" sign? Tonjia Baker: We got- B. Brown mom: Yes, we have. Male Officer: Okay, where is that? Tonjia Baker: On the side of the fence and in the back. And he knows it- Male Officer: So, the city has an easement, right? So, I'm not sure how far- B. Brown mom: That's what I want to find- Tonjia Baker: Okay, but listen. Listen. [crosstalk 00:03:26]. But li- Male Officer: ... call the city. Tonjia Baker: But wait a minute. Listen. Male Officer: And [crosstalk 00:03:28]. He'll be on your plaque. On your- Tonjia Baker: He went from that area [00:03:30] over there, working with the guys, he walked all the way down here, to here. You're on my property, in my face. Male Officer: Right, so that's what I'm advising on. So, once you find what actually is still the city, because we could say the city could be here and there's your property, or the city is up there, so- Tonjia Baker: Well, the city say [crosstalk 00:03:49], but the city say his property stops at the tree. But yet he's still building up over here by the street. That ain't his property. Male Officer: Well, that's [crosstalk 00:03:59]. That's what I'm saying. Tonjia Baker: [00:04:00] His property is at the tree, so anything that is above the tree, it should not be there. But I don't care. Male Officer: Right. And that's a city issue. That's something separate. But what you gotta do here, is, again, find out where your line is. Let's say it's right here and we can advise him not to be on your property. He could be charged with trespassing. He comes on your property, you advised him already, you yourself, [inaudible 00:04:31]. [00:04:30] You could go to the magistrate's office, swear out a warrant and charge him with trespassing. Tonjia Baker: We just got to get some more signs. Male Officer: You get one more sign in the front saying no trespassing. He's going to be advised the same thing. It just seems like it's a neighbor issue. Tonjia Baker: I just wish al- I don't bother him. I'm minding my business cleaning my car and if I want to turn up the radio a little bit, I can. It's not late and it's not loud. It's [00:05:00] not like it's, "Boom, kuku boom boom." I don't have any- Male Officer: Who reserved the parking for you? The city? Tonjia Baker: Yes. Male Officer: So, it might be ... I mean, just guessing by where the sign is. That this is probably still city property. And this area here. Again, you should have a plan. Call the city, find out where your easement ends and what's yours, what's the city's. And then just go, you know ... just go from there. Tonjia Baker: 'Cause I- Male Officer: And I'm sure she's talking to him. I'll go see what he has to say. Tonjia Baker: I [00:05:30] don't want to go and get a warrant and press charges. Male Officer: Right. Tonjia Baker: All I want is, you leave me alone 'cause I don't bother. I don't say nothing to him. Wait, what I'm not going to have is have him come over here and stick a camera in my face, like this, and I'm, "You better get the f away from around me." Male Officer: And we'll tell him that, I mean I'm sure that's why- Tonjia Baker: But he's taunting me. That's what he's doing. He's taunting and the other police officer said, "Well, you can have your camera. Yes, you can record, but you cannot [00:06:00] come to somebody's face and put your camera in their face, telling them, "You're going to lose your job. You're going to lose your house. You're going to lose your car. I'm gonna sue." Okay, sue me. You already took me to court before, you lost. You didn't even show up." And you know what it was about? Male Officer: No. Tonjia Baker: Parking. B. Brown mom: Yeah, he carried me to court. Male Officer: For parking? B. Brown mom: And he didn't show up. Tonjia Baker: No, he carried us to court for the 14th amendment, "If you don't believe it, look it up and see what they tell you." Slavery. How you gonna take me to court for slavery? Male Officer: Yeah ... he's got some other [00:06:30] issues, huh? B. Brown mom: Thank you. Male Officer: But, I mean. That's what I advise you. Just kinda, you know, do that. I'll see what she has going on with him. B. Brown mom: This man [inaudible 00:06:40] ... Tonjia Baker: Yeah, see, I knew he threw [inaudible 00:06:47] but I'm not going to worry about that. Male Officer: Yeah, I mean, he has to realize he doesn't own everything out here. Everybody has their own property and land and property that they own. B. Brown mom: Right, [00:07:00] right. Tonjia Baker: But listen, listen. If you tell the city that you want no parking on the street, right? They put it on both sides. The city thought that we requested it. No, we did not. He did. So the city came ... that's one of the poles right there. Male Officer: Hold up ... Tonjia Baker: He left the one by the stop sign. Male Officer: Go ahead. Officer Clark: [inaudible 00:07:20] some footage. I'll be out of here shortly. Male Officer: 10-4. Tonjia Baker: ... on his side of the street, he left the sign "No parking", right? [00:07:30] He wants no parking. So if you want no parking, why would you park the car on this side of my house, all up on the grass and on the hill. Why would you do that? Male Officer: So, there's parking ... the city took it away? Tonjia Baker: On my side. Male Officer: And now there's parking on [crosstalk 00:07:41]. Tonjia Baker: But you can't park where that- B. Brown mom: He did, he did. Tonjia Baker: Where that sign is. B. Brown mom: He did. He did. [crosstalk 00:07:46]. Tonjia Baker: And he lied to the city, that's why the city put it up. They thought we wanted it and it's not what we wanted, so the city took it down. And then after the city took it down, yeah, you're going to park your car on our side. Male Officer: Which car is that up there? B. Brown mom: He live on up over. Tonjia Baker: And he parks in the front [00:08:00] where his wife's Ford Focus is at. He been parking there for 40 years, but now in the last 3 weeks you're going to park right here, because you want me to say something to you. He don't want me to park over here, where I living. That ain't right, and it ain't fair. Male Officer: Well, I mean, yeah. You could park right, in that big gap. You can. I mean, if you'd like to. I'm just saying. Tonjia Baker: But listen, listen. Where he's parked there, where I normally park. But if I park right here, in this little dip, right here, it gets my tires dirty from the mud. Male Officer: Yeah, no, I'm just saying, if you wanted to. So your property is from here, all the way to Carson's. Tonjia Baker: [00:08:30] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Male Officer: So, this is all you, right here? Tonjia Baker: Yeah. B. Brown mom: But he live over there. Over there. Tonjia Baker: See, he still got no parking on his side of the street. Male Officer: So, [crosstalk 00:08:36] the stop sign all the way here- Tonjia Baker: So, if that's where you want it, you don't want to park in the street, why would you park your car on our street. He parked it right there. Because, I'm telling you, for 29 years, this has been where I've been parking. Male Officer: Yeah. Tonjia Baker: The front of his house was not right here. The front was on the other side of the street. When he got bad with us, he changed the front to the side, so that he- he has a little computer room right there, so he could see [00:09:00] every time I come in out the gate, if I get groceries, whatever I'm doing, he can see that. I don't really care about all that. But, you shouldn't park your car right here, because you're trying to taunt me. That's fine, you did it, I'm not going to argue with that. But you cannot, under no circumstances, put your hand in my face. You can't walk over here and do that. "You going to jail." I said, "I'm not going to jail, because for number one, you had no right coming over here. If my music is bothering you, what you should do is stay over there and call the police. You let the police come and they say, you wrong or you right, or you should or you should not." Every [00:09:30] time he calls the police, he got them to go in his house. It's just tiresome, you know. And I have video of him on my phone also, coming over to my face. I can't get groceries outside of the car, [inaudible 00:09:44] messing with me. And I'm tired of it. Male Officer: Alright. Well let me go see what she's go going on over there. See what he says. And I'll advice him, after what he says, the same thing that, you know, there's a certain part of the property where you cannot [00:10:00] enter, you know. The city is one thing, but on your property, you'll be charged with trespassing. Tonjia Baker: Okay, witnesses. Two guys right there. They saw it all. Male Officer: Yeah. He's recording and he's showing my partner something. Tonjia Baker: [inaudible 00:10:15]. Do you want to see my recording? Male Officer: Of him coming over here? Tonjia Baker: Uh-huh. Male Officer: Oh, no. I believe you. I'm going to let him know, once he's advised and once from you, through me, I'm going to tell him he's not allowed on you're property. B. Brown mom: [00:10:30] Right, right. Male Officer: And once you have that sign and again- B. Brown mom: I got a sign over- Male Officer: Say he walks up to you, he walks up to your yard, and you're recording him on your yard, you could take that to the magistrate office, say, "Look ... ". I know you don't want to go that route, but if you feel you need to, you say, "This is my no trespassing. He's on my yard. He was advised." That's your proof. All you need is his name, his address, and you could get a warrant. Tonjia Baker: He told me, "I got a gun." [00:11:00] Showed it to me within the small of his back and he said, "I don't mind filling you with a pump of lead." And I'm thinking, that's not no joke. You don't say stuff to people like that, you got a gun. You don't do that. And then I don't know what this man is up to. You come up to my face ... I don't know what you're about to do. I can't just stand there and be, "No, no, no, don't, don't, don't come here", because that's too late. I'm hurt, or I'm shocked. Male Officer: And when was this? The- Tonjia Baker: This was last year. Male Officer: Okay. Also, again, that's part of ... this happened last year? Tonjia Baker: And I went to the magistrate. B. Brown mom: We did. Tonjia Baker: [00:11:30] And they said they couldn't give it to me for 72 hours that I would have to go down to the court and get ... what she say? A preliminary restraining order or a harassment order. Male Officer: Yeah. You would go to the magistrate, actually. I don't know why ... But you would go for harassment and also get a protective order. There's an emergency protective order which gives you 72 hours where he's not allowed to call you, contact you, anything. And then, from there, you could extend it [00:12:00] from there to 2 weeks, and after he's still having issues, you could do a two year protective order. Tonjia Baker: But it makes no sense. You keep on threatening me to take my house and my car- Male Officer: But yeah, if he's giving you threats as he's recording, you record it. If he's threatening you. Tonjia Baker: "You going to lose your job"- Male Officer: Exactly. Tonjia Baker: "You're going to lose your house". I got that on tape- Male Officer: But even if you feel you ... you wouldn't even have to wait as far as being threatened. You could just do the harassment. If he's constantly coming here and [00:12:30] harassing you, that's part of harassing. He's coming to you, taunting you, talking to you. That's a harassment. That's where I advice you, if you feel he's harassing you, you could have evidence. You have a witness, you go and you get a harassment warrant. Tonjia Baker: This is the thing. So trying to avoid him, I didn't park on the side any more after he parked up there. I said, "Okay. I'm not parking here." I said, "Okay, if i don't be around him maybe, you know, maybe some of this will go away." So I parked [00:13:00] here. Now, by me parking here and not bothering you at all, why would you come over here in my face? You just- he just got to, I don't know what it is about me. He just got to say something to me or do something to me and I don't understand. I mean, do you really, you hate me that much? Or do you love me? What is it? I don't understand. Because, it's consistent. He's just ... he doing it, so I said, "Okay, if I don't park on the side, he won't bother me." And now, I can't even clean my car. I've been out here over an hour. [00:13:30] He just decided to come running out over here. "You're going to jail!" You know what man, you just, you need to do is leave me alone. [crosstalk 00:13:38]. Male Officer: No, let me [crosstalk 00:13:40], I'll go see what he has to say. Tonjia Baker: If you want some peace and quiet, I told him to go to the morgue. And that's what I told him, 'cause ain't nobody gonna bother you at the morgue. If you want to ... you cannot ... you don't control nobody. My cousin come over here and park right there. His music shaking out the windows. You think he come out? Mh-hm! You want to know why? He's a big dude. I'm a woman. And you're a grown man, [00:14:00] you're in your sixties. Why are you bothering me? Why don't you just mind your own business, because I don't bother you. All this stuff he got going on over there, that's his business. I aint got nothing to do with that. Just don't come over here. Male Officer: Alright- Tonjia Baker: We can't even have family functions. Wanna know why we can't have family functions. He gonna call the police. We in the house Christmas, eating, nobody ain't bothering nobody. He come out here and said, "You're parked too close to the stop sign", so my cousin had to move her car. Speaker 6: [inaudible 00:14:30] Tonjia Baker: [00:14:30] It's just so nerve- Speaker 6: 0160, 0160 Tonjia Baker: ... "what's going on, why's he parking his car there?" I said, "I have no clue." And I don't. You know, it's just too much. B. Brown mom: [crosstalk 00:14:41], that's all. [inaudible 00:14:41], but we been parking there for years. Male Officer: Alright. I'm going to see what my partner has to say, and we'll see, come back and talk to you. Tonjia Baker: Alright. Thank you. Male Officer: Alright. [inaudible 00:15:11]. [inaudible 00:15:21] trespassing. Houses [inaudible 00:15:37]. No parking. [inaudible 00:15:42] park right there. [inaudible 00:15:44]. Bob Barnett: ... You like that? Officer Clark: No. Bob Barnett: Okay, and [00:16:00] they say I was rude at my wife is a bitch, you know. If you look at the tapes that I'm recording, I'm constantly saying, "You're breaking the law." Officer Clark: Sir, but why don't you just take them to court, then? You know their names. You can go to the magistrate [00:16:30] yourself. If you have this on video, that's even more, that's more in your defense, so, I mean, you don't believe in us, doing our job, so then- Bob Barnett: Because you're not doing your job. Officer Clark: Since you have all the evidence, you can just skip us and just go to the 1701 Fairfield, the Justice Center yourself. Bob Barnett: Is there still a court down here on Manchester? Officer Clark: Yeah, but that's not where you go to get a warrant for somebody. You go to the Justice Center, which is across the street from Juvenile Court Center. It's the new jail. [00:17:00] The magistrate is- Bob Barnett: [inaudible 00:17:02]? Okay, well that's what I'll do. Officer Clark: Okay. Bob Barnett: I apologize- Officer Clark: You just tell them your story, you let them know you have video. They will let you know if you have enough evidence to take this warrant out. Bob Barnett: Okay. Officer Clark: So, if you feel like we're not doing it, I mean ... I'm not, by all means, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm not saying they're wrong. What I'm saying is, I mean ... Bob Barnett: Okay, okay, I wasn't quite aware of that. Officer Clark: If you have that evidence and you got their names, you [00:17:30] have their address, that's all you gotta do. Take your story to the magistrate and let the magistrate decide on whether you have enough evidence for a warrant. Alright? Bob Barnett: That's what I intend to do. Officer Clark: Amen. If any other time they have music, honestly, call us first, and ask do we have a ... What is it, the people with the meters? [crosstalk 00:17:50] Male Officer: That's a noise meter. Yeah, it's a monitor. Officer Clark: Can they send somebody, with a- No, it can't be you. It's gotta be them. Bob Barnett: I know, I know, but see I recorded 89 to the low [00:18:00] 90 decibels and if you look at the charts, that's considered harmful to your ears. I sit here, and again, I work on ... have to have a better world. These are my heroes. Chocolate and vanilla. I tell people, "I'm no chocolate man, I'm full vanilla man, happy and proud to have a chocolate family in the white house." I try to promote, and see all the flags all up in here and ... but, when I stopped helping them, they [inaudible 00:18:28] out of their way, just to make my life [00:18:30] heck. Officer Clark: Okay. Bob Barnett: Yeah. Those bushes there, that concrete walkway, the trellis in the backyard, the 18 inches of clay I scrapped away from the [inaudible 00:18:39], I get that. Why did I do that? She's a widow. My great-grandmother, a widow, raised me and I was repaying them. My great-grandmother, by helping another widow. Officer Clark: Well. Bob Barnett: Anyway ... Officer Clark: You got ... We'll tell her the same thing, to keep her music low. And just, I mean, don't- Bob Barnett: She says I have [00:19:00] no right to tell her what music what music to play. I don't care what music you play. Actually earlier, when it was low, it sounded pretty good. But then when it starts disrupting my ability to think and work on this project that I have, then, it's too noisy. Male Officer: Well, and again, I'm coming in to the end of it. I was speaking to her, and just so you're all aware, she's going to speak to her again, but ... Also, there's "no trespassing" [00:19:30] signs posted on her property, as I'm sure you're aware of. You know the law, and you know what's going on with that. That if there is a sign, and you're not invited to be on her property, and I know there's a difference between city and property, but if you are on her property and she didn't invite you, she can also go out take out a warrant for trespassing. Now, what you guys just try [00:20:00] to ... it sounds like it's just an ongoing issue, that you guys just try to stay away from each other. She wanted me to advise you on that. You're advised and you know not to be on her property if you don't have to. Bob Barnett: Okay, the fence- Male Officer: No, no, right. I don't know where the property line is [crosstalk 00:20:14], that's fine. I don't know where the property line is, but I just- Bob Barnett: And there's my car, parked on public property. Did you know that I'm a vet? Male Officer: Yeah. Thank you for your service. Bob Barnett: Okay. Male Officer: Appreciate it. You have a good day. [inaudible 00:20:34] [00:21:00] thank you for your service. Yes sir, thank you for your service. Chocolate family. Officer Clark: ... don't go over to anybody's property. Stay [inaudible 00:21:06]. He could have gotten your picture from over here. Instead, he went right in front of your car? Tonjia Baker: And when I looked up, 'cause I didn't know he was standing there at first, and I told him- Speaker 6: [inaudible 00:21:18] Officer Clark: If you have an issue, you tell us. So I just told him, you know- Tonjia Baker: Why don't he just leave us alone? Officer Clark: I don't know. Tonjia Baker: Look, I used to ... where he's parked his car right now, that's where I used to park it, right. So he asked the city to put "no parking" signs on both sides of the street, and the city assumed that's what we wanted. When they found out that's not what [00:21:30] we wanted, they took them down, except for the one by the stop sign. So my think is, if you don't want "no parking" on your side of the street, so why would you park where I- everybody around here, all the neighbors know, this is where I park. Speaker 6: [inaudible 00:21:45] Tonjia Baker: I move my car to the front, because I'm not going to create [crosstalk 00:21:58]. He's never parked that [00:22:00] car there in all the [inaudible 00:22:01] 29 years. But if that's where he wants to park his car, that's fine, just leave me alone. I don't park on the side anymore. I try to avoid him. But when I got a lot of groceries, I park there 'cause [inaudible 00:22:03] and walk all the way up to the back or walk all these steps with groceries in the car. I live here. I'm 70 years old. I can't walk all these steps. B. Brown mom: You 71. Tonjia Baker: And if my brother-in-law, uncle, cousin, nephew, anybody come over here, man, he don't bother with them. He just ... I don't know what it is, why he just gotta keep nagging at me. First of all he startled me because I didn't even know he was there. Boy, I looked up, I lost it, because it's too much, you know what I mean, [00:22:30] I really [inaudible 00:22:31] and I really [inaudible 00:22:31]. Officer Clark: I mean, you guys know each other's names? Tonjia Baker: Mh-hm. Officer Clark: [inaudible 00:22:39] same thing, I mean. Of course, he got the story from y'all before I could, but he advised him, you know, stay [inaudible 00:22:46]. Tonjia Baker: I don't bother him. Officer Clark: He told him, you know, sometimes he feels like he needs somebody to talk to y'all, that don't just assume he's going to take things [inaudible 00:22:59]. Tonjia Baker: And [00:23:00] I try to ignore him, God knows I do. It's just, I'm only human. I can only take so much, but when you're going to threaten me that you got a gun and you're going to pump me full of lead, no, I take that very serious. That's a threat to me. You know. And I'm trying not to cause a whole lot of issues, but I can't, me personally, I can't no more. Its over my head. I just can't take it no more. And I mean, I do feel threatened, because you [inaudible 00:23:26] ... that's not the first time he's done that. One time I was getting groceries out of the trunk of the car and he walked down the street and he walked [00:23:30] up to my face and he said, "When I get friends with you, you gonna have to deal with your sister, 'cause you're going to lose everything." Out of nowhere. I mean, I can see if I'm messing with you or saying something ... if you look at his camera you don't ever see me saying something to him first. You see him come out with a camera. I've got him recorded. And you're going to call my job, you're trying to get me fired. Yeah, I work for the veterans, I work at the VA hospital. [inaudible 00:23:56]. And yes, you are a veteran. I don't see him when he come there, 'cause I [00:24:00] don't get a chance to see everybody, but ... and then they threatened me to have me fired. It ain't right to [inaudible 00:24:04] somebody's job and phone people and have me fired from my job, because you don't like my music. It's just some things that he do that are just uncalled for. I feel like I'm trapped and there's nothing I can do about it. Officer Clark: Well, definitely, next time ... He advised him, don't come over on their property. [inaudible 00:24:16] even if this is part of the street, or what. B. Brown mom: Well, I'm going to call the city Monday [00:24:30] and find my property line. Officer Clark: Yeah, find that out. [crosstalk 00:24:33]. Yes, that would be best for you, to do that. B. Brown mom: I'll do that Monday. That's what I'll do Monday. Officer Clark: Maybe they can put the little stick and mark it for you. B. Brown mom: Yeah, that's why I think I'm going to do. I'm going to call on Monday. Tonjia Baker: And I'm going to go down to the magistrate today, I'm not waiting because the last time- B. Brown mom: We tried. They said- Tonjia Baker: No, the last time I didn't do it when it happened, and I waited. This time it happened today, so I go today. Maybe they give it to me, maybe they don't. Male Officer: Yeah, again, you [00:25:00] gotta have enough evidence, witness ... what is it you're going for today? Asking them for? Tonjia Baker: Harassment. Protection. Male Officer: Yeah, if you have that. Most of that is going to be the witness, text, email, recordings of of someone harassing you, for how long ... they'll ask you all that. Again, if you have enough for it, they'll provide it. If not, they'll advice you what you should do, and then, you should get that evidence and come back to them . B. Brown mom: Okay, we'll do that today then. Tonjia Baker: It's just sad when [00:25:30] you can't come outside- Male Officer: I mean, at the least- Tonjia Baker: T-o-n-j-i-a, Baker. Male Officer: At least you could try to at least get a protective order, like the one I told you, the APO. That's something you could try to get yourself. For him to stay away from you for 72 hours. Tonjia Baker: What is it called? Male Officer: Emergency Protective Order. Tonjia Baker: [00:26:00] Okay. Officer Clark: [inaudible 00:26:02], year or two. Tonjia Baker: Okay. Because [inaudible 00:26:09], keep on talking to y'all. [inaudible 00:26:14], it's just repetitive. It's just every chance you get, he "ha-ha-ha-ha-ha", you know. He thinks everything ... I think he's got some issues, really, upstairs. I'm not sure. Male Officer: [00:26:30] Yeah, I mean-